Douglas Wilson (via sds)
Let’s try a little thought experiment here…
Even though not all Christians are assholes, all pro-Christian arguments are pro-asshole arguments. Name me one that isn’t. Taught to be this way, check. Deeply held beliefs and self-importance, check. Who’s to say what’s socially acceptable, check. There is not one pro-Christian argument that cannot be enlisted in the service of championing the next character flaw, whatever that remaining and increasingly common character flaw might be.
You’ll forgive me if I take the deepest offense at the comparison of my gay and lesbian friends and family as having anything at all in common with pedophiles.
Fuck. Right. Off.
Hmmm. You’ll forgive me if I conclude that you don’t know how to read, or how to follow an argument, or understand the ineffectiveness of ad hominem attacks.
You know what, @apologeticskeptic? I’ll go right ahead and accept your revision of the argument. As long as you’ll concede that not all Christians are assholes, which you have, I’ll happily agree that pro-Christian arguments could be used as pro-asshole arguments, provided we agree that assholes deserve freedom of speech as much as anyone, and that assholes, like everyone, are best responded to in love.
Well, that ain’t my name but it’s close enough that I’ll assume I should respond. :)
Yes, I will happily concede that not all Christians are assholes. I used to be one (though some may contend I am a bit of an asshole), and I have many family and friends who are still way deep inside the church and they are definitely not assholes.
I am also positively thrilled to know many, many, many believers who would be as appalled as I am at the ridiculous and specious argument Mr. Wilson is attempting—and failing—to make.
Any conflation of homosexuality with pedophilia (or the other popular fundamentalist slur du jour, bestiality) is reprehensible, and deserving of passionate shaming. An apology for any perceived “emotional outburst” on my part should not be expected and will not be forthcoming. What part of this “argument” is even remotely worthwhile? So what if one could make a few similar points about two completely separate spheres of information?
An erection and a recently-fed mosquito are both living things, both filled with blood, and both explode when pounded just so… so, therefore… what exactly?
Which brings us to, ah, yes, the “freedom of speech” bit. Interesting, in light of a reblog from just this morning. Absolutely, by all means, Mr. Wilson and your ilk, please oh pleeeeeease keep on speaking freely. And I mean that with all the (assholery-free) love in the universe.
Love the analogy apoplecticskeptic!
And completely right, you really can’t compare homosexuality and pedophilia arguments…
Firstly it is looking past the part that homosexuality is something which occurs at a much higher rate across the whole of the animal kingdom and in humans it is two consenting adults vs pedophilia with a non-consenting child. It’s really not as simple as the paragraph you started with above.
Also you are making quite big assumptions on pedophilia which are not at all conclusive or backed by current science or studies since pedophilia is still massively under-studied subject. Born this way? While one theory currently suggests improperly developed neural pathways which confuse the emotions felt towards children can be one cause, it is by no means a fully accepted theory on why different people become pedophiles.
Also with the above theory, new neural pathways are created every second through out a human’s life and with other studies showing a link between being abused or frequently watching abuse happen can later develop into the person becoming an abuser. Therefore disputing that a pedophile is ‘born this way.’
Compared with homosexuality where in the majority of cases, a person has these sexual urges towards a person of the same sex much earlier than their first homosexual experience. However when applied the other way round, most would agree that someone preforming homosexual activities on you would not turn you gay if those sexual desires weren’t there in the first place, unlike the link between pedophilia and abuse victims.
One thing which really annoys me and which the internet, newspapers and various other places try to do all the time. Is simplify complex arguments in order for it to fit whatever argument they are wanting the reader to agree with however in reality, most issues are far more complex and cannot be simply used for a completely different subject because they seem to have somewhat of the same principles like the penis and mosquito demonstrates.